Comments on: BLUE OVAL ENGINE SWAP https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/ Mon, 25 Dec 2023 18:04:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: William Robinson https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1499600 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 18:04:46 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1499600 Back in the early 60’s I had a 53 that I installed a 322 cu in buick nail head. Great running car. That’s been a while ago so don’t much about installation problems but they were not a stopper. Did lot of drag racing with it and had no problems with trans. Good driver. Just out of college and worked in MD and came home to south Jersey on weekends. No problems. 53 trans held up but rear was problem if I raced too much. Good luck.

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By: Rick https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1499599 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 16:16:55 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1499599 Hi I have to agree with gentleman that left a message , yeah a later year V8 a 239 flathead would look and suit the car. I have a 239 in my Ford and plenty of power and can be easily bumped up for more power.

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By: Steven More https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1499593 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 04:43:06 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1499593 Checkout Shoebox Central for engine mounts

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By: Len Williams https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1499592 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:21:59 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1499592 I can’t believe you are suggesting someone put a “Y-block” Ford engine in anything , they are junk ! It would be absolutely unconscionable to do that. A 289-302 would be a much better choice ! Obviously they need some assistance finding a competent source for information as well a shop to do the minor fabrication required for engine installation ….

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By: Dale Davies https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1499591 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:15:39 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1499591 If you chose to ho with the 302, use the above recommended subframe (Fatman Fabrications). When it comes to transmission choice, I would recommend using a T5 or Tremec TKX. For the T5 you would probably want the S10 Chev tail housing and shift lever. This puts it farther ahead so it does not interfere with the bench seat. You probably want a world class T5 with 2.97 or 3.27 first gear. The S10 is a 4.1 gear which is useless.
Bellhousings to use on the 302 are readily available for either the T5 or the TKX.

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By: William Carter https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1458988 Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:30:46 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1458988 In reply to Don rector.

Don is right on target. I’m kind of an old school guy, so I like the FE family of motors. If you replace a 292 Y-block with a 390 FE, you get another 100 cubic inches, another 100 horse power, and if you install an aluminum intake manifold on the FE, they weigh about the same. The 351 is a good choice for several reasons. It is physically both smaller and lighter than the Y-block or FE, and like the FE motor, it has a huge supply of factory and aftermarket performance parts.

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By: William Carter https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1458987 Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:11:09 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1458987 In reply to Steve Ross.

Any Y-block, 289/302, and any FE motor are a direct bolt-in for a 1954 and later full-size Ford car. All Y-blocks and FE motors use the same motor mount. The earlier mounts used two studs on the frame side of the mount, around 1960, Ford changed that to one stud on the frame side of the mount. If you are putting an FE in a pre 60’s Ford you can just use the 2-stud mount, or drill a hole in between the two slotted holes on your pre-60’s frame motor mount pad and use the single stud mount. If you want to install a 289/302 in a 1954 to 1962 full size ford, just use the 1963 and later Ford motor mounts used to by the factory to install 289/302’s in Galaxies, 300 sedans, wagons, etc. If you want to use a manual trans, the engine mounted clutch linkage pivot ball lines up perfectly. If you want to use a Cruis-O-Matic to replace the early Ford-O-Matic two-speed auto, it’s a direct bolt-in, and they use a vacuum modulator instead of mechanical linkage. If you plan to use a C-6 or C-4, you can still use your existing crossmember, but because of different transmission lengthes, you will need to weld a 3/16″ plate onto your existing crossmember and re-drill the trans mount holes so they line up with the new trans mount studs. The emergency brake pivot still works. 1954-56 Transmission yokes and u-joints are very different, mainly smaller and weaker. It’s just better and wiser to have a drive shaft shop make up a new drive shaft with a new yoke that matches your trans splines, and has the larger u-joints. You will need a later u-joint mount on your 1954-56 differential if you plan to keep the original axle, or you can have the drive shaft shop attatch the old style smaller u-joint on the differential end of your drive shaft. Personally, I think its better to just swap in a complete 1957-59 (later years are too wide) 9-inch rear axle. You get the larger u-joint, bigger brakes, stronger axles, and the emergency brake cables match up.

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By: William Carter https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1458976 Tue, 20 Dec 2022 23:11:30 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1458976 In reply to john mangles.

In a word – – – No. However, the transmission bolt pattern is identical, so a trans (3-speed 4-speed) that bolts up to a y-block will bolt up to a 289/302. Unless you added a lot of horse power to your 289/302, the early Borg-Warner y-block 3-speeds will stand up to the 289/302 engine just fine. Just don’t wind up the engine and dump the clutch. If you are really concerned about 3-speed transmission strength, look for a curved side cover Borg-Warner T-85 3-speed transmission. They have the same gear strength as a T-10. They are still out there. try ebay. They came behind some Mercury and Ford Y-blocks, starting in 1956, and all FE engine 3-speed applications until around 1965 or 1966 when the all syncro 3-speed showed up.

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By: Don rector https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1458760 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 06:11:28 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1458760 My opinion is completely opposite of the opinion given above. The Y-block is inherently unreliable. It has very poorly designed heads, which makes performance very limited from that engine. The only easy part is the engine mounts are available in the aftermarket, but that engine is mounted in the front center and back transmission crossmember. The engine mounts fail frequently. Your transmission will bolt up to the Y-block, but that transmission is really garbage. When I was in high school, we got to the place that we could repair that transmission literally blindfolded . That was from lots and lots of practice.

A very straightforward swap would be a Ford Windsor 351. Those engines are reasonably priced, readily available and simply installed. There is a mount referred to as a saddle mount. It is designed to match up to the late model, side mounts of the Windsor motor. Transmission wise, if you want to keep a three speed, Ford build some very strong, three speed transmissions that will bolt up to the Windsor. It requires what is referred to as a small block bell housing. You will also have available with that engine , a couple of very very strong four-speed transmission, or if you decide to go automatic, you have both the C4 and the C6 transmissions. Other items such as headers are readily available as are complete 12 V conversions.

If you need some questions answered, or some help, please feel free to reach out to me. My phone number is 408–9 30–4065. DTW, I belong to the F 100 elite club. Our members all own 1954-1956 F-100 trucks. All members are using late model engines. A bit more involved, but simple to install are Ford 460 engines.

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By: Ron https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/post/blue-oval-engine-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-1458744 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 03:46:43 +0000 http://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/?p=1279#comment-1458744 Done a few custom builds on those old 223 fords. Boy they run strong when rebuilt properly. Nothing beats than inline six , Has good torque

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